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Re: Bezpe?nos? v Internete
« Reply #75 on: 17.04.2008, 22:03:28 »
algoritmy pre DES, AES určite nie sú tajné :) takisto algoritmy pre RSA, či hashovacie funkcie...
tie šifry, čo sa používajú najviac - resp. sú najznámejšie - tak majú otvorené algoritmy... a ich sila pozostáva zo sily kľúča/ov
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« Reply #76 on: 17.04.2008, 22:36:52 »
ale ja som si uz na anglinu zvykol, proste je to tak ze ked sa chcem nieco naucit musim si to najst v anglictine, inaksie to co ti niekto prelozi stoji za staru belu zvycajne, hlavne ak sa v danej problematike nevyzna a vsetko preklada pomocou slovnika. (ocakavam aj rovnaku uroven buducorocnych skrypt, ako bolo uroven z PPI - pochopit to mohol iba autor kapitoly, inaksie vsetci ostatny si mohli cele skrypta prepisat, lebo ked mate v jednej vete 7 skratok typu RC do RH... myslim ze autorom tej kapitoly bol Noro Adam, lebo to bolo nieco o klopnych obvodoch a tusim on robil v to mdimplomovku, ale ked nie, tak sa ospravelnujem )

najhorsie je vsak, ze tie slaidy stoja za staru belu, popis k obrazku je 0 bodov. Viem ze to na prednaske vysvetloval, ale vdaka genialnemu napadu podpisy na prednaske sa na tej prednaske mohol naucit iba clovek co sedel tak lavicu od tona, ked to prednasal...

Inac nemate pocit ze nas rocnik je akysi nevydareny experiment na tejto skole, akoze druhaci sa maju uz jak fajne - to ci my sme mali v ang, oni maju prelozene, to co mi sme mali chujove predmety, oni uz maju povinne volitelne... im je radost zit.
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« Reply #77 on: 17.04.2008, 22:44:50 »
jj to s xor sme mali v aps.. vymena obsahu 2 registrov ;)

no ja som skor myslel tie RC, ze su tajne :P
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« Reply #78 on: 17.04.2008, 22:46:00 »
Feinsteinove sifry su sifry kde sa nesifruje prud informacii ale sifruju sa bloky informacii o velkosti 64 bitov.

existuje 5 rezimov sifrovania u blokovych sifier:
ECB - rovnake bloky zasifruje podla rovnakeho vstupneho kluca do rovnakeho vysledku.
         Nevyhoda sifrovanie spociva v tom, ze toto sifrovanie nezarucuje ze nemohli byt bloky           
          zamenene a to bud umyselne ale neumyselne.

CBC - odstranuje predchadzajucu nevyhodu v tom, ze pri sifrovani ECB tym, ze prvy sifrovany blok je zasifrovany bud to priamo ECB, alebo pouzitim pseudo nahodneho kluca, a zvysne bloky su sifrovane tak, ze sifrovaci blok vznika spojenim predchadzajuceho zasifrovaneho bloku a bloku ktory chcem zasifrovat pomocou XOR.

CFB- pretvara blokuvu sifru na prudovu sifru a to za pomoci generatora pseudonahodnych cisiel kde ako vstup pre generator sa pozuivaju vysledky sifrovaneh obloku.

OFB - pretvara blokovu sifru na prudovu sifru a to za pomoci generatora pseudonahodnych cisiel kde ako vstup pre generator sa pouzivaju predchadzajuce generovane cislo.

EDE - ide o predlzenie kluca a to bud do 2, alebo 3 nasobnej dlzky a to tym, ze sa sifruju 3 bloky sucastne a to tak, ze prvy blok je sifrovany klucom K1, druhy je desifrovany klucom K2, a treti je bud to sifrovany klucom K1, alebo tretim klucom K3.

 
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« Reply #79 on: 17.04.2008, 22:47:02 »
RC su tajne pretoze firma ktora ich vytvorila ich aj pouziva a zverejnenim ich sifrovacieho algoritmu by tak znizili bezpecnost svojich sifier.
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« Reply #80 on: 17.04.2008, 22:47:40 »
aspon dufam ze sa s tymi feinstainovymi siframi nemylim
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« Reply #81 on: 17.04.2008, 22:49:26 »
jj to s xor sme mali v aps.. vymena obsahu 2 registrov ;)

no ja som skor myslel tie RC, ze su tajne :P

čo je rc? rivest's cipher?
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« Reply #82 on: 17.04.2008, 22:53:56 »
jj.. RC2, 4, 5,6
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« Reply #83 on: 17.04.2008, 22:56:10 »
oka, thx :)

hehe, najlepšie sú rc1 a rc3...

via wiki:
RC1 was never published.
a môj favorit:
RC3 was broken before ever being used.

btw:
tajné? mne sa nezdá:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC6#Encryption.2FDecryption

aspoň na prvý pohľad to vyzerá ako zverejnený algoritmus :)
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« Reply #84 on: 17.04.2008, 22:57:45 »
agamennon:
no dobre najdi mi ale algoritmus RC2 ktory je symtericky prudovy
a algoritmus RC4 ktory je asymetricky.

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« Reply #85 on: 17.04.2008, 22:59:14 »
agamennon:
no dobre najdi mi ale algoritmus RC2 ktory je symtericky prudovy
a algoritmus RC4 ktory je asymetricky.



nvm, o čom hovoríš :)) ja sa do toho nevyznám... len sa mi to veľmi nezdá, že sú tajné, tak som trochu googlil... a našiel som free source code a pod... hlavne, ak všetci hlavní konkurenti sú "open source"
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« Reply #86 on: 17.04.2008, 23:02:11 »
agamennon:
no dobre najdi mi ale algoritmus RC2 ktory je symtericky prudovy
a algoritmus RC4 ktory je asymetricky.



existuje také niečo vôbec ako asymetrický rc4?

RC4 is a symmetric stream cipher with an arbitrary key size. RC4 was created by Ron Rivest of RSA Security in 1987.
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« Reply #87 on: 17.04.2008, 23:04:04 »
hmmm no ja som nasiel zmienku o tom ze vraj to je asymetricky algoritmus, ale nevyzera podla prednasok ze by bol.
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« Reply #88 on: 17.04.2008, 23:05:03 »
RC4 is not patented, but it is a trade secret of RSA Security. An alleged copy of the RC4 source code was published anonymously in 1994. This code behaves identically to the official RC4.

toľko ku rc4... síce je tajný, ale algoritmus sa pozná, takže zase až tak tajný nie je, hehe
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« Reply #89 on: 17.04.2008, 23:06:07 »
tak sa ospravedlnujem je to tak ze rc4 - je symetricka stremova
rc2 je blokova pracujuca s 64 bitovymi blokmi. je vsak firmenym tajomstvom firmy RSA.
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« Reply #90 on: 17.04.2008, 23:07:17 »
Initially, the details of the algorithm were kept secret — proprietary to RSA Security — but on 29th January, 1996, source code for RC2 was anonymously posted to the Internet on the Usenet forum, sci.crypt.

a príslušné RFC
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2268

rc2 BOLO firemným tajomstvom RSA :)
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« Reply #91 on: 17.04.2008, 23:31:37 »
vtip je v tom ze to firme RSA este nikto neoznamil. :D
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« Reply #92 on: 17.04.2008, 23:32:41 »
vtip je v tom ze to firme RSA este nikto neoznamil. :D

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« Reply #93 on: 18.04.2008, 00:19:27 »
no dobre tak hlboko som nebadal az.. pozrel som ze RC2 je / bol tajny tak som sa domnieval, ze u RSA to je zo vsetkymi tak :D
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« Reply #94 on: 18.04.2008, 18:36:05 »
A PS ked už neni nič v slovenčine, nenašlo by sa niečo šikovne aspon v nemčine ??? Ved predsa len nemčina je po ruštine druhý najpoužívanejší jazyk v Europe.
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« Reply #95 on: 18.04.2008, 18:41:55 »
akoze poslednych par stran nemam sajn o com to tu pisete.. sak na cvikach sme daco uplne ine robili..
konfigurovali wifi router, firewall a podobne..
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« Reply #96 on: 18.04.2008, 19:36:43 »
mhm, asi tak.... skus to v pondelok na skuske balazovi tan nenapadne pripomenut...

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« Reply #97 on: 19.04.2008, 03:10:47 »
no to asi nepojde.. boli sme za nim vo stvrtok.. ale stale mi nesvieti v systeme zapich..
takze zo skusky este asi nic..
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« Reply #98 on: 19.04.2008, 17:31:21 »
a kto by mal byt? no bolo by uplne idealne keby ze je dozor ondro s martinom... :) :) :) (hejze LM...?!)

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« Reply #99 on: 19.04.2008, 20:11:53 »
mam na haku kto tam bude, este pochopim cos a tym myslis sprava hesiel, a budem vediet vsetko na tu skusku. Ved ta skuska mi pripomina veci ktore sme sa naucil v materskej skole, same teoria... nic moc...
a akoze schemu vypoctu nejakeho blokoveho sifrovania sa ucit naspamet nebudem, viem obkecat ako sa to robi a to je asi tak vsetko.
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